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PPR Bonus Podcast ep. 15 Kevin Gosztola on Reality Winner Motion To Suppress Statements

Kevin Gosztola of Shadow Proof joins me for an update on the Reality Winner case and the recent motion to suppress statements she made to the FBI. Kevin provides a quick summary of that Winner has been charged with, and the circumstances surrounding her interview/interrogation by the FBI. Kevin then provides us with his perceptive of the mood and town of Augusta, Georgia where the case is being heard. Kevin also talks about the intense security at the court house, and the difficulty he had in obtaining press credentials. We then dive into the hearing itself which lasted 5 hours. Kevin talks about what the defense brought up today and discusses the two FBI agents who were called up as witnesses. We talk about the prosecutions insane arguments, including the idea that Winner was a national security threat who might join up with the Taliban. Later Kevin and I talk about what the next steps will be for Reality Winner and the impending trial. Kevin also discusses meeting with Winners parents and traveling to her house where she was interrogated and arrested by the FBI.

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In Reality Winner’s case, defense seizes upon FBI testimony to bolster motion to suppress statements

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Porkins Policy Radio episode 129 Kevin Gosztola on the Reality Winner Case

Journalist Kevin Gosztola of Shadow Proof joins me for an in depth discussion of the Reality Winner whistleblowing case. We begin by recapping the case itself and who Reality Winner is. Kevin talks about Winner’s career in the Air Force and later with the NSA as a contractor. We talk about what Winner is accuses of doing: leaking a classified report on Russian hacking of voter software to The Intercept. Kevin touches on The Intercept’s sloppy handling of Winner’s information, and how this contributed to her ultimate arrest. We also discuss the political issues surrounding Winner’s leak. Kevin and I then explore provision 793(e) of the Espionage Act which is what Winner is being accused of breaking. Kevin talks about the broad interpretation that the government is using and how this is merely the latest expansion of government power to persecute whistleblowers. Kevin uses about two important historical whistleblower cases to illustrate this point: Navy Analyst Samuel Morrison, and the State Department’s Stephen Kim. We discuss how the government has criminalized the very act of leaking, and has blocked whistleblowers from arguing why they leaked said documents. We finish out the first hour by talking about the government’s bogus claims that Reality Winner is an anti-American super spy.

In the second hour Kevin and I dive into the allegations by Winner and her defense team that the FBI violated her rights during the so called “interview.” Kevin explains how this interview was in fact an interrogation. We talk about the fact that Winner was never mirandized or told that she could in fact leave whenever she wanted to, as the government maintains she had a right to do. Kevin lays out several important factors during this interrogation/interview that would lead one to believe that Winner was in fact under arrest the moment the FBI arrived. Kevin also talks about the US v Craighead case and how that applies to Winner’s motion to suppress her alleged confession. Kevin and I also touch on the broader implications of this aspect. We talk about how it puts the onus on the accused to ask for their rights from law enforcement. Kevin talks about how this motion might play out and why it is so important to Winner’s case going forward. We round out the conversation by talking about the media’s lack of coverage of Reality Winner’s case, and why she should be paying close attention to it.

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Show Notes:


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Stand With Reality

FBI Agents Didn’t Think Reality Winner Was Spy—Yet Government Is Prosecuting Her Like One

The Espionage Act And NSA Whistleblower Reality Winner’s Uphill Struggle To Defend Herself

Defense: Government Puts Burden On Reality Winner To Excuse FBI Violating Her Rights

Appeals Court Agrees Reality Winner ‘Hates’ America—So She Will Remain In Pretrial Detention

FBI transcript of Reality Winner interrogation

Declaration of Reality Winner

Governments response to defendant’s motion to suppress defendant’s statements

Court Documents: US v. Reality Leigh Winner

Porkins Policy Radio episode 97 The Decline of Leaking: From Chelsea Manning to Reality Winner

Tom Secker and Robbie Martin join me for a very wide ranging discussion on everything from Reality Winner to Dennis Rodman. Tom and I start off the conversation by talking about the Wikileaks Twitter account tweeting about our issue on The American Journal of Economics and Sociology. We talk about the obvious divide right now between Assange and Wikileaks not just in terms of Twitter, but in terms of their media strategy. The three of us then dive into the bizarre case of NSA leaker Reality Winner. We theorize as to whether she is a true leaker, or a truly disgruntled employee. We discuss the possibility that Winner was set up to leak, and if this is really a move by the Trump administration to ward off future potential leakers. Robbie and Tom also touch on the strange behavior of The Intercept and how they mismanaged this entire story and their lack of protection of Reality Winner.

In the second hour we ponder the question as to whether Reality Winner represents a bookend to the celebrity culture of leakers and whistleblowers. We take a close look at Chelsea Manning and her recent media interviews. The three of us talk about the media’s obsession with Manning as a trans celebrity, and the ways in which they have sexualized and fetishized her since her release from prison. We discuss how the media has largely ignored or forgotten the true reasons for why she was imprisoned in the first place: leaking thousands of government documents. We talk about the notion that Bradley Manning and the actions associated with him are now dead and therefore are no longer a topic of discussion among the media. We round out the conversation by talking about Dennis Rodman’s most recent trip to North Korea. We talk about the possibility that Rodman is being used as either a back-channel or some form of intermediary between Kim Jong-Un and US intelligence. Robbie, Tom, and I also touch on the cryptocurrency Potcoin which has sponsored Rodman’s trip to the Hermit Kingdom.

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Show Notes:

Wikileaks tweets our issue of The American Journal of Economics and Sociology

Spy Culture

A Very Heavy Agenda

Top-Secret NSA Report Details Russian Hacking Effort Days Before 2016 Election

Statement on Justice Department Allegations

Do Not Trust The Intercept or How To Burn A Source

Reality Winner

Reality Winner Indictment

WikiLeaks offers $10,000 to get Intercept reporter fired

The Long, Lonely Road of Chelsea Manning

Chelsea Manning explains why she leaked secret military documents, fought for transgender rights behind bars

Anthrax And “Russiagate”: Mueller’s Special Counsel Appointment Should Raise Concern

Potcoin Sends Dennis Rodman Back to North Korea

Apparently, Tourists Love North Korea For The Super Cheap & Legal Weed

North Korea releases American student reportedly in coma as Dennis Rodman returns to the reclusive nation

A cryptocurrency for weed is soaring in value after it sponsored Dennis Rodman’s trip to North Korea

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