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Porkins Policy Radio episode 97 The Decline of Leaking: From Chelsea Manning to Reality Winner

June 14, 2017 – 1:22 pm

Tom Secker and Robbie Martin join me for a very wide ranging discussion on everything from Reality Winner to Dennis Rodman. Tom and I start off the conversation by talking about the Wikileaks Twitter account tweeting about our issue on The American Journal of Economics and Sociology. We talk about the obvious divide right now between Assange and Wikileaks not just in terms of Twitter, but in terms of their media strategy. The three of us then dive into the bizarre case of NSA leaker Reality Winner. We theorize as to whether she is a true leaker, or a truly disgruntled employee. We discuss the possibility that Winner was set up to leak, and if this is really a move by the Trump administration to ward off future potential leakers. Robbie and Tom also touch on the strange behavior of The Intercept and how they mismanaged this entire story and their lack of protection of Reality Winner.

In the second hour we ponder the question as to whether Reality Winner represents a bookend to the celebrity culture of leakers and whistleblowers. We take a close look at Chelsea Manning and her recent media interviews. The three of us talk about the media’s obsession with Manning as a trans celebrity, and the ways in which they have sexualized and fetishized her since her release from prison. We discuss how the media has largely ignored or forgotten the true reasons for why she was imprisoned in the first place: leaking thousands of government documents. We talk about the notion that Bradley Manning and the actions associated with him are now dead and therefore are no longer a topic of discussion among the media. We round out the conversation by talking about Dennis Rodman’s most recent trip to North Korea. We talk about the possibility that Rodman is being used as either a back-channel or some form of intermediary between Kim Jong-Un and US intelligence. Robbie, Tom, and I also touch on the cryptocurrency Potcoin which has sponsored Rodman’s trip to the Hermit Kingdom.

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Show Notes:

Wikileaks tweets our issue of The American Journal of Economics and Sociology

Spy Culture

A Very Heavy Agenda

Top-Secret NSA Report Details Russian Hacking Effort Days Before 2016 Election

Statement on Justice Department Allegations

Do Not Trust The Intercept or How To Burn A Source

Reality Winner

Reality Winner Indictment

WikiLeaks offers $10,000 to get Intercept reporter fired

The Long, Lonely Road of Chelsea Manning

Chelsea Manning explains why she leaked secret military documents, fought for transgender rights behind bars

Anthrax And “Russiagate”: Mueller’s Special Counsel Appointment Should Raise Concern

Potcoin Sends Dennis Rodman Back to North Korea

Apparently, Tourists Love North Korea For The Super Cheap & Legal Weed

North Korea releases American student reportedly in coma as Dennis Rodman returns to the reclusive nation

A cryptocurrency for weed is soaring in value after it sponsored Dennis Rodman’s trip to North Korea

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ClandesTime 112 – Billions

June 13, 2017 – 12:26 am

From Spy Culture:

Pearse Redmond joins us to discuss the TV series Billions, which mixes elements of legal thrillers, human drama, sexual fetishes, 9/11 insider trading and deep politics. We examine the characters in the film and how they are metaphors for the philosophical conflict at the heart of American politics between individual free will and the need for government as a restricting force. In short, Axe represents Ayn Rand and Chuck represents James Madison. We also look at several supporting characters including the non-binary Taylor who works at Axe’s hedge fund, Chuck’s father and his deep political friend Black Jack Foley, and how both sides in this conflict use coded language and spycraft as weapons against the other.

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Porkins Policy Review episode 96 Keelan Balderson on the Manchester and London Attacks

June 7, 2017 – 11:37 am

Keelan Balderson of WideShut.co.uk joins me today for an in depth discussion of the recent terror attacks in Manchester and London. We begin by looking at the initial narrative that the media presented to us and how that quickly began to change within days of the event. Keelan discusses how the narrative had many of the hallmarks of the 7/7 Terror attacks, such as prior knowledge and security monitoring, slipping through the net, and the calls for internal reviews by MI5. Next to take a closer look at Salman Abedi’s family and the claims that they were Libyan refugees. Keelan talks about the Salman’s fathers ties to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group and the LIFG’s close relationship with both MI5 and MI6. We discuss how the British government has long funded and protected the LIFG and used them time and time again as a proxy force against former Libyan leader Gadaffi. Keelan and I also talk about the fact that as Home Secretary Theresa May signed off on orders allowing LIFG fighters to freely move around the UK and Europe. Keelan and I then move one the bombing itself and focus on several key pieces of evidence that have emerged. We look at the mysterious CCTV footage of Abedi buying tuna fish, almonds, air freshener, and scouring pads, and ask the question: if this the shopping list of a man who thinks he is about to die? The two of us also discuss the blacked out image of Abedi that has made the rounds in the media and again point out that this doesn’t really prove anything. Keelan also dives into the curious admission that the bomb Abedi used may have been equipped with a remote detonator, therefore begging the question of whether Abedi was an unwitting suicide bomber. Keelan and I explore the idea that Abedi could have been part of a much larger plot. We also talk a out several bizarre eyewitness reports, and well as conflicting forensic evidence.

In the second hour Keelan and I address Abedi’s families response to the bombing. We talk about his fathers allusion to this possibly being a false flag, as well his brothers flat out statement that he knew his brother was a terrorist. We then move onto some of the political responses to the attack. Keelan discusses May’s renewed efforts to control the internet with ever increasing draconian laws aimed at preventing this very attack. We also touch on the idea that this attack in many ways mimics Gladio style operations in places such as Italy in the 1970’s. We then move onto the London bridge attack and take a look at the attackers connections to another terrorist group with deep ties to British intelligence, al-Muhajiroun. We then look at how this is effecting the upcoming British election in just a few days. We finish off by looking at how the MSM and alt-media has completely accepted either blow-back or the right-wing narrative that Muslims are all evil. Keelan and I also touch on the recent severing of ties with Qatar by Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the UAE, and how this may be playing into the ever evolving narrative of the war on terror.

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Show Notes:

WideShut.co.uk

@altnewsuk

Wide Shut UK YouTube channel

7-7 What Did They Know? (77 London Bombings Documentary)

Manchester Bombing ‘Leaks’: Prime Minister May ‘Confronts’ Trump

Corbyn: If We Support Terrorists There Will Be Terrorism

Manchester Bomber: Known, Supported, Then Ignored By MI5?

ClandesTime 111 – The Manchester Bombing and the Politics of Fear

Who Bombed Manchester?

Gutless Media Hacks Avoid Serious Questions about Manchester Bombing

Everything we know about Manchester suicide bomber Salman Abedi

Father of Manchester bomber has links to militant group in Libya

Found at the Scene in Manchester: Shrapnel, a Backpack and a Battery

Manchester Bombing: British Police Release New Photos of Suspect Salman Abedi

Salman Abedi CCTV footage

Manchester bomber’s father and brother detained in Libya

Manchester suicide attacker ‘was known to security services but not thought to pose immediate threat’

Manchester Bomb Suspect Said to Have Had Ties to al Qaeda, Terrorism Training Abroad

MI5 opens inquiries into missed warnings over Manchester terror threat

Mum says she was 15ft from Manchester Arena bomber just seconds before deadly blast

Heroic dad describes seeing Manchester suicide bomber’s body as he rushed to give first aid to victims

London Bridge attack – everything we know

London attack: UK was warned about third attacker

ClandesTime 019 – Is Al Muhajiroun Full of Spies?

Snooper’s Charter Makes UK Most Spied On Democracy

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Porkins Policy Radio episode 95 Inside the OJ Simpson Case with Private Investigator Pat McKenna

May 31, 2017 – 1:21 pm

Legendary private investigator Pat McKenna joins me today to discuss his work on the OJ Simpson trial. We begin by discussing Pat’s initial work on the case which took him to Chicago. Pat talks about his three weeks there interviewing numerous witnesses who saw OJ. Pat explains how like most people he assumed that the media was right and OJ was guilty. Yet as his investigation unfolded, interviewing people such as the staff at the hotel near the O’Hare airport, to people on the plane, Pat began to come to the realization that OJ was not the murder. Pat points out some of the key pieces of evidence he discovered there which point towards someone other than OJ being the killer. We discuss how OJ signed numerous autographs yet no one remembers him as having cut up and bloody hands. Pat also talks about the fact that OJ only left his hotel room after he was told of his ex-wifes murder, which casts doubt on the theory that he left to bury evidence. Pat also talks about Chicago PD’s assertion that the LAPD began screwing up evidence the moment they received it from Chicago. Next we move onto Mark Fuhrman, his racist past and the numerous problems with his timeline of events on the night in question. Pat explains his own investigation into Fuhrman’s background and lays out how Fuhrman planted the gloves. Pat also breaks down the impossibility of the prosecutions timeline of events that night.

In the second hour we take a look at one one the most overlooked but important witnesses in the case, Tom Lange, the last person to have seen Nicole Simpson alive. We explore both the original police report and Lange’s own personal notes on what he saw the night of June 12, 1994. Pat explains how Lange saw Nicole talking with two men a few minutes after 10pm who were driving a White Ford 350 truck. Pat talks about the credibility of Lange and why his story should be trusted, as well as why the LAPD and prosecution never followed up with him. We also point out some of the discrepancies between the police report and what Lange actually stated he saw that night. Later we talk a look at other eye and ear witnesses from that night and show how nearly all of them contradict the prosecutions own timeline. Pat also touches on the ways in which the prosecution went after these witnesses and trotted out the most untrustworthy individuals to prop up their increasingly flimsy case. Pat also breaks down the numerous issues with the infamous bloody socks. Pat and I also touch on the allegations that drugs played a part in the murder.

Pat will be joining me again very soon so let me know if you have any questions you would like us to discuss.

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We are in need of financial help here at AFR

May 30, 2017 – 3:41 pm

Faithful listeners we are in need of some financial help over at AFR. This is not a ploy or a cheap way of raising some money. If you are a fan of the work that I do and the amazing resource that AFR is than please help out in any way that you can. We are not asking for much, just enough to make sure that we stay on the air. Any amount helps so please support us if you can.

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Uncle the Podcast episode 64 Pearse Redmond interview, OJ is innocent

May 24, 2017 – 1:23 pm

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From Uncle the Podcast:

Host of Porkins Policy Radio, Pearse Redmond is the guest on this episode of Uncle (the podcast). Here he reviews Modelo Especial, and explains why he knows that OJ Simpson is indeed innocent of murdering his wife and Ronald Goldman. Other less dark things are discussed as well, so be sure to listen to this podcast.

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Porkins Policy Radio episode 94 Casting JonBenet with Stephen and Joyce Singular / Epstein Updates

May 24, 2017 – 12:16 pm

Stephen and Joyce Singular join me in the first hour for a discussion of the genre bending documentary Casting JonBenet. Produced by Netflix and directed by Kitty Green, the film employs a novel approach to true crime documentaries: using an open casting call Green interviews Boulder area actors as they prepare for the roles of John and Patsy Ramesy and other major figures in the case, interspersed with some reenactments, and their own theories as to who committed the crime. We begin by discussing our overall feelings of the film and the merits and disappointments of this unique approach. Joyce and Stephen talk about the fact that this is the first major film to come out on the JonBenet case that actually tackles the topic of child porn rings in Boulder. We also focus on the fact that this film is also the first that actually attempts to humanize John and Patsy Ramsey. The three of us talk about several key scenes in the film in which the actors talk about their own personal experiences (some very similar to this case) where they were presented with serious moral dilemmas. We talk about their own responses to these events and how this offers insight into the actions and emotions of the Ramsey family. Joyce and Stephen also talk about the terrify reality that children are presented with on a daily basis, and why JonBenet continues to be exploited to this day. We also touch on pedophile John Mark Karr’s false confession, the culture of child pageants, and the ways in which the media continues to hide the true of what took place 20 years ago. We close out the first hour by briefly talking about OJ Simpson’s upcoming parole hearing.

In the second hour I break down some of the most recent developments in the ongoing Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislane legal saga. I address the rumors and allegations that Virginia Giuffre is about to settle her defamation case and why I think it may be bogus. I also explore the other allegations put forth by Conchita Sarnoff that Ghislane Maxwell’s lawyers have no idea where she is. Next I move onto Sarnoff’s recent defense of US attorney and Epstein protector Alex Acosta, and why Sanroff continues to act as the conduit for all important Epstein related news. Later I talk about Epstein’s newest high profile team of lawyers, why he is aligning himself with his employee Lesley Groff, and what this all means moving forward. I finish off by presenting several possibilities for what this all means and if Epstein and company might actually be severed up some real justice. I also announce who my special guest will be next week.

Note: Stephen and Joyce are also working on a new book and documentary dealing with police violence and PTSD. You can find out more about this by visiting StephenSingular.com

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Show Notes:
Stephen Singular

Casting JonBenet full movie

Presumed Guilty: An Investigation of the JonBenet Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture of Pornography

PPR episode 68 Presumed Guilty: Stephen Singular on JonBenet Ramsey Murder

PPR episode 71 Boulder’s Dark Secret: Stephen and Joyce Singular on JonBenet Ramsey

Jeffrey Epstein ‘sex slave’ trial postponed

‘Sex slave’ wants Epstein to explain how Prince Andrew allegedly met her

Jeffrey Epstein’s Runaway Procurer

Alex Acosta’s Prosecution Of Sex Trafficking

Alexander Acosta, Donald Trump’s Labor Nominee, Grilled on Secret Deal for Billionaire Sex Offender Jeffrey Epstein

Order granting motion for extension of time to effectuate service on defendant Ghislane Maxwell

Steptoe & Johnson LLP

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Porkins Policy Radio episode 93 What Ever Happened to Egypt with Caram Kapp

May 17, 2017 – 10:20 am

Today I am joined by friend of the show Caram Kapp. Caram was last on episode 42 The Homeland Hackers, and returns to discuss the Egyptian uprising six years later. We start off by discussing the basics of the uprising and some of the behind the scenes actors. Caram explains his own experiences as an Egyptian, and as someone who was there on the ground around this time. We touch on the rumors of Western manipulation and how some of these allegations have overshadowed the real life grievances of the Egyptian populace and their reasons for wanting to get rid of Mubarak. Caram and I then move onto the two most important actors of the revolution (The Muslim Brotherhood and the Army) and how they became the ultimate arbiters of the revolution. Caram talks about his time in Cairo just after Brotherhood leader Muhammad Morsi was elected. Caram describes the parallels between Morsi and his brief tenure as president to that of Donald Trump. We talk about similarities in both personality and demeanor, as well as the ways in which Morsi represented “change” and ran on a campaign of making “Egypt Great Again.” Caram and I also discuss the notion that Morsi or those around him were well aware of the realities and influence of the Egyptian military, and understood that they may have been used as a stopgap to put the military back in place.

We expand on this more in the second hour exploring other parallels between Trump, Morsi, and current Egyptian President al-Sisi. Caram and I look at the ways in which al-Sisi and Trump have managed to normalize the military and the police, even when engaging in extreme behavior. Later Caram and I look at some of the recent geopolitical developments in Egypt and how they mirror actions here in the US. We look at the escalating tensions between Sudan and Egypt over the contested Halayeb Triangle and how this mimics Trump’s rhetoric against Mexico. Caram and I also discuss the current state of Egyptian media which like the revolution has returned right back to where it started. Caram and I finish off by looking at where Egypt may be headed and why it has lost influence within the Arab world, and has become one of the forgotten aspects of the Arab Spring.

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Show Notes:

PPR episode 42 The Homeland Hackers

Egypt sentences Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohamed al-Badie to 25 years in prison

Court postpones retrial of Morsi, MB leaders to May 17

New photo of Mubarak from inside his residence in Helioplis

Despite talk of good relations, security concerns darken Egypt-Sudan ties

Egyptian troops shoot at Sudanese miners near borders: offical

Under the radar: Is this the stage for Africa’s next war?

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Porkins Policy Radio episode 92 100 Days of Trump with Robbie Martin

May 10, 2017 – 12:00 pm

Frequent guest Robbie Martin joins us for an in-depth discussion of Trump, alt-right, Mike Cernovich and more. We begin by discussing Trump’s completion of the “magical” hundred days in office. Robbie and I talk about the media strategy that Trump and his team employed for these first hundred days in the White House. We look at how Trump has reversed positions on nearly all of his campaign promises and the timing of this coinciding with the end of the hundred days. Robbie and I both give our theories as to why he has reserved course before diving into the reaction from his hardcore alt-right base. Robbie and I discuss how the alt-right base has continued to support Trump and defend him despite his broken and reversed promises. Robbie talks about the ways in which they have shifted the argument away from Trump’s failures and onto the neocons, Clinton’s, and leftists in general. We also talk about the most recent invocation of the great existential threat, Russia and Putin. Robbie and I touch on the recent congressional testimony of Sally Yates, and why the democrats are so obsessed with going after Trump’s alleged ties to Russia.

In the second hour Robbie breaks down the strange bromance going on between neocon propagandist Eli Lake and alt-right propagandist Mike Cernovich. Robbie explains the strange similarities between recent stories put out by Lake and Cernovich, which seem to allude them to having the same sources. We talk about the bizarre rise of Cernovich and the way in which the mainstream media continues to prop him up and support him. We also touch on the idea that Cernovich is being groomed to take over from Alex Jones should his legal problems continue to get worse. I also update the listeners on the Giuffre v Maxwell defamation case and Cernovich’s meddling in it. We end by discussing where the hardcore racialist segments of Trump’s base will end up in the foreseeable future. I also do my best impression of Mike Cernovich’s lisp.

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Show Notes:

Media Roots

@FluorescentGrey

A Very Heavy Agenda

Judge Robert Sweet’s rejection of Cernovich motion

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Porkins Policy Radio episode 91 What is CannaSense? with Daniel Louis Crumpton

May 3, 2017 – 3:07 pm

Daniel Louis Crumpton joins me today to talk about his work with the non-profit CannaSense. Daniel explains how CannaSense provides medical grade cannabis and related products to anyone in need through out the 50 states. We talk about the legal framework that CannaSense uses in order to provide the medicine. Daniel breaks down what they call the trifecta (Compassionate Use act, Affordable Care Act, and the Article 4 Section 1 of the Constitution) which sets up a legal framework to prescribe cannabis and distribute it no matter where you happen to live. We also talk about the various legal arguments opposing this, and show how they don’t really stand up to what the Constitution enumerates to us. Daniel also talks about the legal safeguards that CannaSense offers to all of its members. Later Daniel talks about the types of people that he works with as a caregiver with CannaSense. We discuss the medical cannabis movement and why so many people would benefit from medicinal cannabis.

In the second hour Daniel and I discuss the growing legalization movement and our problems with it. We talk about the fear of the corporatization, taxation, and government regulation of cannabis. Daniel and I talk from a philosophical viewpoint that the government can’t “legalize” a plant that our bodies were designed to consume. We discuss our own desires to see cannabis become decriminalized and simply a part of the fabric of America, and not an extension of Monsanto and the government. Daniel and I also talk about how the deregulated cannabis market works very well as it stands right now. We end by talking about anti-cannabis crusaders like Jeff Sessions and Chris Christie and how irrelevant they are becoming.